Ludo's Fighting-Type Team

[Ludo]

Hey Here's my idea for a Fighting-Type team: 


Poliwrath (Swift Swim, adamant)

Item: Expert Belt/Damp Rock

Waterfall

Ice Ball

Rain Dance

Protect



Toxicroak (Dry Skin, Adamant)

Item: Black Sludge

Fake Out

Gunk Shot

Drain Punch

Sucker Punch



Hawlucha (Limber, Jolly)

Item:Life Orb/Leftovers

Detect

Sky Drop

Ally Switch

Feather Dance



Pangoro (Mold Breaker, Careful)

Item: Assult Vest

Earth Quake

Crunch

Taunt

Hammer Arm/Sky Uppercut



Lucario (Innner Focus, Modest)

Item: Lucarionite

Aura Sphere

Flash Cannon

Calm Mind

Dark Pulse/Heal Pulse



Conkeldurr (Guts, Relaxed)

Item: Flame Orb

Rock Slide

Focus Punch

Wide Guard

Subsitute


If you have any suggestions or if you think I'm completely out of my mind let me know. If it helps know that I designed this team for doubles. 

[Ludo]

I just realized that I could use this team for VGC '14 if I wanted to...maybe I'll do that.

[Snato]

Jan 31, 2014 22:07:47 GMT -5 Ludo said:

Poliwrath (Swift Swim, adamant)

Item: Expert Belt/Damp Rock

Waterfall

Ice Ball Ice Punch

Rain Dance

Protect

I'd go with Ice Punch instead of Ice Ball. You don't want to be locked in the same move for up to 5 turns. The rest of the set looks great



Toxicroak (Dry Skin, Adamant)

Item: Black Sludge

Fake Out

Gunk Shot

Drain Punch

Sucker Punch

I like it.

Hawlucha (Limber, Jolly)

Item:Life Orb/Leftovers

Detect

Sky Drop Flying Press

Ally Switch

Feather Dance Stone edge

Flying Press is great because you get a flying and fighting move in one move. Stone Edge is for those pesky flying types that will give your team grief. Featherdance might be good for forcing a switch, but I think the Stone Edge is necessary. Alternatively, if this is doubles or triples, Rock Slide is great too.



Pangoro (Mold Breaker, Careful)

Item: Assult Vest

Earth Quake

Crunch

Taunt Stone Edge/Rock Slide/Power Up Punch

Hammer Arm/Sky Uppercut

I feel like Pangoro doesn't have the speed for an effective Taunter. Your opponent could get off two boosts by the time you taunt them. Rock type moves will handle any fliers coming your way, and Power Up Punch is handy to get a nice attack boost while putting the hurt on your foe. Plus, Assult Vest won't let you use Taunt.


Lucario (Innner Focus, Modest)

Item: Lucarionite

Aura Sphere

Flash Cannon

Calm Mind Nasty Plot

Dark Pulse/Heal Pulse

Lucario is pretty squishy, so Nasty Plot is the better way to go in my opinion. Boost that Sp Atk and watch everyone die.



Conkeldurr (Guts, Relaxed)

Item: Flame Orb

Rock Slide

Focus Punch

Wide Guard

Subsitute

An interesting set, but I think it'd work. The problem with subs in doubles and triples is that they can break your sub and then hit you too.. But I guess it's worth a shot.



And there's my two cents.

[Ludo]

Yeah Ice Punch would be my first choice over Ice Ball, but it can only be learned through a Move Tutor and not through breeding. Once the Pokemon bank opens up I'll look into getting Ice Punch on my team.

You totally caught my goof with the Assult Vest though. It's a shame really, I still like how Taunt can render certain Pokemon useless.

While Sky Drop may not have the same typing advantage as Flying Press it does have the advantage of preventing the target Pokemon from attacking that turn. While that target is still in the air though, I can still hit it using my Pangoro's Sky Uppercut (At least that's the theory, I'll have to test it to make sure). Feather Dance is also there to help Hawlucha support his team since he can take the punch out of Physically offensive fairy types like Azumeril and Mega Mawhile.

I'm totally taking the advice with the nasty plot.

To be honest Conkedurr is the one I'm the most unsure about. Sub seems like something that could work if I'm slow enough to go last. That way it doesn't fade the first turn I use it. I may just replace it with Mach Punch and find some other move to replace focus punch since I think it'll help me in more situations.

[Snato]

Sky Drop followed by Sky Uppercut sounds like such a sexy combo. I wonder if it'll work. And I figured that's why you used Ice Ball instead of Ice Punch. I hope the bank comes out soon, because we're all at a handicap until then.

[Ludo]

Yeah I'm hoping the Sky Drop + Sky Uppercut combo will work out. It didn't work when I tried it on Pokemon Showdown, but there are some things that don't work in showdown that do work in the games. If not I should still be able to combine it with Smack Down, if I can trust Blubapedia on the matter.

[Ludo]

Just tried the Sky Drop + Sky Uppercut thing and it works, the only downside is that if you KO the Pokemon while it is in the air you waste Hawlucha's move for the next turn. I have no idea how often I'll run into that situation though.

[Ludo]

Finally got this team on battlespot for some rated doubles. So far my wins and losses have been about 50/50, but that's pretty standard for me. We'll see if I can bump that 50% up towards 60%.

[Alex]

Flying press actually has really terrible coverage, actually worse then a flying move and a fighting move separately, and you don't get dual stab from it so it turns out being super weak.

I saw the sky drop you used on Jaguar, that stuff is pretty funny if they have no idea how the mechanics of the move work.

Yeah, I don't like sub or focus punch on your conkeldurr. Part of the draw of substitute is blocking status and you already have flame orb / guts. You end up doing a lot of damage to yourself with sub and burn, when conk is an extremely physically bulky pokemon. I think drain punch on him is pretty beastly.

[Ludo]

Feb 10, 2014 12:57:28 GMT -5 Alex said:

Flying press actually has really terrible coverage, actually worse then a flying move and a fighting move separately, and you don't get dual stab from it so it turns out being super weak.

I saw the sky drop you used on Jaguar, that stuff is pretty funny if they have no idea how the mechanics of the move work.

Yeah, I don't like sub or focus punch on your conkeldurr. Part of the draw of substitute is blocking status and you already have flame orb / guts. You end up doing a lot of damage to yourself with sub and burn, when conk is an extremely physically bulky pokemon. I think drain punch on him is pretty beastly.

Yeah you can see on my application for gym leader that I completely abandoned that idea for Conkeldurr. Right now he's Drain Punch, Mach Punch, Wide Guard, and Rock Slide. Sky Drop is actually pretty good on a Hawlucha, especially if you can combine it with Thunder, Sky Uppercut, or Smack Down. Ally Switch can be a pretty good troll move too if you know how to use it.

If you look at my match with Jojo that he posted on Facebook you'll see that Hawlucha + Ally Switch was almost the entire reason I had a chance at a comeback. If his Garchomp wasn't holding a Choice Scarf he probably would have lost.